that no american president since fdr has won a second term in president when the unemployment rate on election day topped 7.2%. guest: that's right. they think it will not be 9%, somewhat lower to there, probably around 8%. host: most of their budgets have 9%. 9%. guest: there is a thinking and they will not say it now because they are not interested in the prediction business because their predictions were sell off when they pass the neck -- so off when they pass the stimulus bill. but that would still be higher than the rate was when fdr one. is there going to be enough to tell voters, things would be really bad if we did not take these steps?