you have max baucus and john grassley and john kerry. the philosophical balance is are there. they have had a lot of hearings. when i was on the finance committee in 2007, we were derrek -- we were having hearings then in a run of of what should be tax reform. broadbased, fundamental tax reform takes at least three years to lay the groundwork, have the hearing, the site where you can lose the loopholes. -- close the loopholes. if they would look at this across the board and try to make a more fair tax code and take away some of the incentives, but then tried to lower the rates with individuals and corporate tax rate, i think it would be very good for the country and for job creation. one of the things i say to paul ryan, chairman of the budget committee, remember as jack kemp is to say, never say the word