11, there is a phone call with james murdoch. can you recall what that is about? >> he rank me on the day something was being published by news crop. he rang me on what these undertakings were. >> or you surprised to receive his call? >> not overly surprised. i had not had any meetings with james murdock during my time as leader of the labour party. it was a courtesy call to brief me. the opposition is well- established on the referral that we think needs to be taken place -- taking place. >> thank you. on at the seventh of july, 2011, you have a phone call with editor of "the daily mail."