this. without question, papyruses, attacks on a mass -- piracy, attacks on ambassadors, we know that those for internal norms in 1789. you seem to be suggesting that if a frenchman attacks and english ambassador in switzerland, that case would never be heard in the united states because there is no nexus to the united states, is that correct? >> well, if nobody ever came to the united states. >> it is not -- the connection is not an on \ off switch. >> why is the presence not allowed to enter the united states a connection? >> well, if it is an individual perpetrator we think that it is because of the direct perpetrator. >> i think torture has to be --