>> thank you very much. mr. connolly is recognized from virginia. >> dr. lee, i was struck by your testimony where you went through a litany of overtures from the west and the united states and south korea, all of which were rebuffed. if you look at north korea behavior subsequenct in terms of the government -- in terms of the furthering of nuclear development. are we wasting our time making overtures to the regime? >> north korea views itself as the party wilting the proverbial carrot and stick. north korea is some more proactive party. that does not mean that we should completely abandon talking to north korea. the dennis rodman affair a few weeks from now will come to