otherrall program manager than the department of hhs. they are going to -- kathleen sebelius, the secretary, is going to have to answer through that -- for that when she comes to testify. deliver -- >> they said they did. they said we did what we said we would do. but the way that it was just alled, it was these pieces together that then were never tested. in the end, that's where the real problem came. and when they did test it, it was a small number of testing. it still crashed. somewhere, someone should have decided, you know what, this is not ready for prime time, we have to have a new date. find that out next week. >> so, they earned their $292 million? >> i don't know. one of my colleagues said, i've