did they get that balance right? >> i think, number one, metadata collection generates value for the nation. i believe that. it does generate value for the nation. what is it a silver bill -- but is it a silver bullet? doesn't guarantee that there will never be another 9/11? no. that is the criterion you want to use, it is not a silver bullet. it is one component of a broader strategy designed to enhance security. at the same time, we also realize that in executing that phone record access, we need to do it in a way that engenders confidence in our system, that it is being done on a lawful basis, with a specific framework, and that there are measures in place to ensure that nsa or others, are not abusing their access to the data. that is fair and right for us as a nation. >> i would like you to quantify the value that is generated for