on the other side of me is vern smith, the dean of the medicaid program as far as i am concerned. who was the michigan medicaid director for many years, and now managing partner at health management associates. and chuck milligan on the end, who has been in medicaid director in a lot of states and a lot of places. [laughter] and is back in new mexico as the director of the united health care community plan. about going to talk a bit street of the program. think weide, which i will have to put up -- there it is -- i listed the four eras of medicaid as dr. david smith, my co-author on this history as i posited them. 1965 was a period when the program really ran on the statute, the statutory basis.