president. now they say, "i didn't say that." but they said it. watching television, i say, wow, that is terrible. we were talking about nuclear, and i said, japan should have nuclear. that is what i said, supposedly. the question that was asked to be recently on television by a very good announcer, a very good guy, he said, "what about nato?" right? in all fairness, i have been entre nous are -- entrepreneur, a very good one, but i know something about nato. here is the problem with nato. it is obsolete. i learned quickly. i knew it was true. it is 68 years old. it was formed to look over the soviet union which doesn't even exist anymore. and i said it is obsolete and we pay too much money. now when i made this statement, thought i read it somewhere, but when i made the statement, it was really the statement that a lot of people said, how would you know a thing like that? so it turns out that things are worse than everybody thought. we're playing -- we are paying

[applause] mr. trump: i think, i think that people are going to be surprised. i saw the outpouring that we had. somebody else was here and they had 300 people, and we have thousands in here, 5000 out there. i think we have more than 2000 in here. i think that we are going to win. let's just see what happens. i know one thing, we are going do well. well does not win -- mean anything. have you ever heard of a man named vince lombardi? in this neck of the woods? what did he say about winning? right. [indiscernible] mr. trump: he knows. i met him once and he was with three of his players, in a restaurant. these three players were tough cookies.