senator mccarthy? they were both catholics but different kinds. in the sense, as michael pointed was gina mccarthy intellectual and much more reserved. i would not say -- my father i would say was kind of shy, but he liked people and was empathetic. the issue of vietnam but also spoke very much to , to the poor and had, ianchised, so he would say, a larger heart that embrace a lot of people and touched them and was touched by them. they had very different personalities and different passions. you and your family with your father as he formally his candidacy and