that was in 2002 that launched a sizable investigation involving as many as 12 investigators. and lasted until 2005 when the report came out. >> and it showed what, there was fraud? there was waste? >> it was highly redacted, eliot. about 90% of the pages are blank. but what you can glean from it is that our assertions were right. there was something amies. billions were spent. trailblazer was the name of the project. it was an utter failure. >> what was "trailblazer"?

seen their homes raided by the fbi for those benefits. resigned from the agency in in 2001. kirk, a former senior analysts with years of experience with the agency who along with bill and two others washington, d.c. the investigation and audit of the nsa. and thomas, a former material witness and was then charged with violating the espionage act. i've got to say gentlemen i've been in law enforcement a fair number of years. the three of you look like the quintessential fbi-c.i.a. agents and here you are as whistle blowers. that's why i think it's so critical the public see you. bill tell me what motivated you to raise these issues and what they were about.

raided us, yes. >> when you say raided you what happened? >> 10 or 12 of them busted in with guns drawn at my house. >> you don't seem terribly dangerous. >> i had been cooperating with the fbi for months. >> your complaints triggered them to come down on you like a ton of bricks. >> yes, plus the inspector general complaint that we filed. >> kirk, let me switch over to you. tell me what did you what you reported, and then what happened to you.

reported, and then what happened to you. >> we began with reporting reporting corruption in acquisition of the nsa system. it's not so much a fourth amendment issue as it was fraud abuse, mismanagement. so four or five of us drafted a report for the d.o.d.i.g. in-- >> the department of defense inspector general. >> exactly. that was in 2002 that launched a sizable investigation involving as many as 12 investigators. and lasted until 2005 when the

that's why i think it's so critical the public see you. bill tell me what motivated you to raise these issues and what they were about. >> well, to start with i developed the program in nsa to mine massivesive amounts of data to detect foreign threats. then after 9/11 they decided to turn that capability against every in the country everyone in the united states. and they started by taking commercial data in from at&t on everyone approximately 3 oh

spoke with chief justice renquist. then eventually kirk and i went to see the jod office. >> and what did they do. >> they rejected it. the only thing that came out was the joint doj report in 2009 where they simply said you need to have better and more active monitoring of these surveillance programs. so that did absolutely nothing. >> there was no question in european these were intercepted.

it can be held in an eight-foot storage compartment. the whole raft. >> they download all this data from satellites and transfers tom, tell me what happened to you. did they give a bouquet of roses and thank you for not-- >> no, at at full. attempts were used to analyze the data of the nsa and discover discovered critical intense--this is another aspect