a long term slump so which is it earlier i put the question to stop our automotive expert at warwick business school here's what he said. there might be more to it it's a good indicate if it could only slowdown in general in china and we've seen that not just in the car industry but also in retail calling me seems to be slowing down saw i'm afraid it might be more than just shorted. and so if this is an indicator of. worse times to come or even the beginning of a market saturation do you think car makers are prepared to deal with it. i'm not quite sure they are we have seen first indication is that they're starting to drop prices we see some luxury cars actually being cheaper than the used version of them dead is an indication that it might start a price war a race to the bottom and that's certainly not a good sign for the industry not china as we have said is an enormously important market for carmakers german producers for that matter as well how do you see the