better. >> look, healthcare costs as you know were rising at double diget rateless. in the last two year they are lower . saying that healthcare costs goes up. >> that is wrong >> my problem here, austin, you guys sold it and you were there when you sold it . i remember the term. if you don't remember the term. we'll bend the cost curve down. you are not doing that. our premiumings are still rising. i have to bring wayne rogers in. >> you know, with all due respect. no one knows what the costs is. you have 2300 pages that say 17,000 that the rheums and regulations are written by the secretary of health and human resources and doesn't say congress knew it when they voted. you don't know now.