purpose? we are going to shut down the coal industry? >> it's -- right, yes. it seems like they are just speaking rhetoric. >> eric: as everyone who knows and smart people watching you realize even if we cut back coal emissions here, co2 emissions here, china is still overadmitting? india is overadmitting, brazil is overadmitting. at some point you say listen, they won't play by theules why do we have to have to ruin an industry. >> the coal industry going to take care of itself? natural gas is cheaper. hands off and let it regulate itself. >> excuse me. the point here is that the epa itself says this isn't going to do any harm. that is what is dumb about it. forget about you can have a debate whether you want global warming or not. that isn't the question here. >> of since obama came in