>> lots of heart burn in the "new york times" david. melissa: -- finances could be more than accidental. after looking into the clinton global initiative records on more than one year, charles ortel, a financial whistle-blower and analyst found major discrepancies he says could be fraud. he joins me now. i just want to explain to our audience. you are somebody who looks into these very detailed financial records. it's a ton of work. it took you 15 months to do this. you were somebody correctly identified problems at ge around aig. this is not a political thing. numbers and finance is hard work. it is your business. looking inside of this i started to go through your reports. you have 40 reports you will be releasing. one thing that jumped out at me, but one of the biggest, bill clinton paid himself and collected payments from something called laureate,