brian land who created c-span. jeff bezos at amazon, jimmy whales at wikipedia. larry page and sergei bren at google. they brought knowledge to the world, transparency, we get to find out more or less what politicians are up to because of this. john: but some of this did it to make money. >> some didn't, jimmy whales created a charity. he may wish he didn't do that. sure they do it to make money, by the invisible hand as adam smith put. if you set out to make money, the only way to do it is to provide people with something they want. >> one of the things that's a challenge talking about media and filmmaking, the invisible hand is hard to film. john: that's a good point. back to hollywood, i'm struck many of the left wing movies work on me, their arguments are wrong, in the movie american president, i cheer when president shepard finally comes to his senses, agrees with leftist girlfriend and trashes a conservative law.