wouldn't get counted as job losses. >> the real point, adam, we didn't crash and burn. because that is what we were promised. the fact is it wasn't an unmitigated disaster. >> neil: i think to the point the way the sequestration cuts were greeted -- i don't deny the impact they had on the defense industry -- in the scheme of things, $85 billion which is really half of that and most of it over ten years, if we're to the point where that gets to be so arduous and onerous in a $3.8 trillion budget and $17 trillion debt we will never get serious about anything. my only issue with raising it and the markets apparently blase reaction to it, we shouldn't be afraid to cut. >> we will experience some pain, but if it is done well and right it doesn't have to be bad. >> neil: not the cuts were