low-level employees in cincinnati. bill: if you are going to try to place this inside the white house, you would think if the chief counsel was appointed by the president you expect him to know what's going on? is that the theory? >> it gets it close. what republicans want to found out is what conversations wilkins had with the white house and treasury officials about this targeting. those are legitimate questions. i suspect we'll learn more about them today where members of congress are talking to people who worked for him. bill there are beginning you said that's not what the white house said originally. what do you mean? >> it's not what the white house said originally. when the story first broke the white house was clear this was a rogue agency in cincinnati. this was done by bureaucrats and didn't have any relevance or ties to the white house. we learned over the course of