initiate that type of confrontation that could end ugly at this moment? i'm trying to understand what their thinking is. do either of you know? >> let me try to explain it. they want total unlimited power over the people of the united states. they want this land and they, it's not the land as much as they want the power. they want policing power, and they want -- what they have done here is neutralized our state of nevada governor and county sheriff and now going to take cliven bundy's cat and will if they get rid of me they take the rest of the rights of we the people. >> and this is state property where is the governor? >> no, they do not have no right to be here, not the united states. the governor has the total say here. he can -- they can stop this right now and they should be. that's what the governor should be doing, saying get out of here federal government, this is nevada state. >> right. now you got some support from some guys in utah. one of the commissioners in utah and...