>> well, i would -- i think the -- it would be accurate for you to assume that when incidents like that occur, that there would be a pretty open channel of communication between the united states secret service, the department of homeland security and ultimately the white house. >> does he want -- does the president want to see the channels of communication to be more open, more transparent? does the white house feel like it's kept in the dark a little bit too much by the secret service in terms of these problems that occur from time to time? >> well, the -- well, i think this will be part of some of the things that this independent panel will consider. what is the appropriate level of secret service response to incidents like this when they crop up. and that, obviously, would involve communicating reforms or even information where necessary to senior members of the department of homeland security and again, ultimately in some occasions, to the white house. >> and does the president...