i did a complete 180 on snowden. >> you would like to do a 180 on snowden. that would be brilliant. don't get me started. >> i am always mindful of the fact that you are a very smart individual. just completely misguided. >> it is actually pie over two. if you go to a place like new zealand it is a under withful country. it is populated by hobbits, but if you try to start a business in this country, we are less free relative to ourselves, but i don't think it makes us less free than malta and it is impossible for people to travel to all of those different countries and say oh slovenia is a great place. >> it is very hard to start businesses in india. i just saw that on a news program. i swrus wanted to add something to this conversation. what she said was really smart. >> it was smart. and not to say what you said wasn't smart. >> hers was smarter.