and say this is another version of the left, the number is getting bigger in terms of the debt and they feel when you suggesting like that is a dead end and they're not sure paul ryan will be a vehicle to make that happen. >> that is what elections are about. we put forward our ideas and republicans accept them or democrats accept them. if they don't we have an election again and you decide do you want to keep electing the same people who are unwilling to do anything and we will tell you in 2011 the president said on the debt ceiling we had a big debt ceiling fight, he said i will not negotiate with a gun to my head. renegotiated. leverage works but only if you are steadfast, only if you are courageous and only if you say i am willing to go -- the interesting thing about defaulting, we bring in $250 billion a month in tax revenue, interest on the debt down $30 billion so we have plenty of money to pay the interest and social security, medicare and soldiers' salaries and that is...

security. >> how does he walk away from those hearings yesterday? do you think public perception of her change? >> yes. if you like hillary clinton before you thought she did a great job, she took questions for 11 hours, donald trump couldn't take a 3 hour debate. i got to ask you are you willing to put more money into security? put more money in the budget? congress drastically cut the state department budget and i find it interesting people talking about more security for benghazi. >> one of the interesting things if you look at the money and where the responding the money leading up to the attack in benghazi in that summer hillary clinton approve $100,000 to send three comedians to india, hillary clinton spent 650,000 hours on facebook ads, they didn't have enough friends, she spent $700,000 on landscaping for the brussels embassy and here is the clincher.

be frustrated? >> i think the biggest and happiness for the thing causing the most unrest and unhappiness about who republicans across the country as they see republicans control the house, republicans control the senate and they say what are you guys doing? how come spending is going up and deficit is going up and the excuses from washington, people in washington say we can't, we don't have the presidency, people are frustrated and tired of it so whether or not he succeeds or not the real question is are republicans in washington going to get a handle on spending. i frankly would not raise the debt ceiling unless we had significant reform so i introduced something called cuts, a cap and balance, cut the deficit in half, cap spending, have balanced budget, the constitution says no more, we are done with this, and -- >> sounds like a great idea but do you think establishment republicans will get behind that? conservatives out here constantly look at republicans and say this is another...

she is running to the president of the united states and was a judgment good? geo oversee a state department that provided adequate security? did she oversee a state department advised the best counsel in libya? what is the best cal's to topple gaddafi? one thing you know from the middle east, when we stopple secular dictators we see a rise in radical islam and we are at more risk of attack from libya than before they topples gaddafi. one other example. in somalia, blackhawk down, call that was a terrible disaster, has been turned down an equipment, bill clinton would have let hillary clinton go for not doing her job. >> i wonder if anybody will be let go. to get your perspective on that

issue of weird doing of there that we can't even labeled it? >> it is a struggle. sometimes we have war when there are variations of evil on both sides of the war, people want them to be simple. bashar al-assad is evil, isis, you want to bomb both sides which is a ridiculous kind of thing to do but we have to analyze what has happened so far. we put a lot of arms into the syrian civil war and in doing so, saudi arabia put 600 tons of weapons in 2013, we pushed back bashar al-assad, but there has been a vacuum and isis grew in that space. i was one of the leading voices in 2013 saying to the president even though bashar al-assad is evil dictator, evil person in charge of syria, and didn't want to bomb hidden because my fear was isis would be in charge of all of syria. isn't any solution. >> we talk about this on the