said the same thing, the "new york times" reporting it on the front page, that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and, indeed, told his own generals that he did, and the generals disseminated that information. so, to me, all the evidence says that president bush the younger did not lie. maybe made a mistake, did not lie. >> okay. >> you want to backtrack on that statement? >> no, i don't want to backtrack. i didn't say lie. i said he may have lied. i don'tsaepo know. did he really believe there were weapons of mass destruction. >> i think he did. >> i know that when his father went in and his father actually did something pretty good because he pulled back. he didn't get into the trap. but i know that saddam hussein was taunting the father. you know, the americans, they were not, you know, they were cowards. he was saying all sorts of things because of the fact intelligently they pulled back and i know that, you know, you know, also, that the son loves the father and i...