as you saw the write-up after your 90 minute conversation? >> i do think i was treated fairly. it's very different. my answers were very different from what you've been hearing. my answers are nato is obsolete. we're spending too much money on nato. we're paying the lion's share. we're spending tremendous amounts of money on something that was many, many decades ago. and the world has changed. it's a different place. there's no emphasis on terror with nato. and frankly, if there is, you need different countries. because it involves different countries. nato is very obsolete and it should be readjusted for change and frankly other people should also bear the brunt. why are we paying so much? >> you're right -- i just found out that we pay for 72% of all defense costs and only 5 of the 28 nations pay what they're required to do and that's 2% of the gdp on defense. >> right. >> it turns out you're right about that. but in terms of nato, with the reinvigorated russian aggression in the...