abby: you know what though, clayton, i think a lot of it depends on the dynamic. i think we have kellyanne conway if we can bring in, if you haven't been listening about our conversation about the dynamic between the chief of staff, now john kelly and president trump. you were talking about this last night about being a peer and how you can't treat him like a peer but you look at somebody like john kelly and you look at his resume and sort of this man that's going to come in and hopefully get some things in order. talk to us about the dynamic the two of them will have? he had the ability, to clayton's point, to have more control of things to actually get access to his schedule? >> yes. thank you for having me this morning. i think general secretary kelly will bring strength and discipline and put out without even saying so the dictum that loose lips sinks ships. people will think twice before they try to hurt each other, using colleague by using the press to do. so or thinking they...