now. steve bannon out, what can you tell us? speak out guest, sandra, this is something that that is been rud for an awfully -- >> sandra: that was a bit of a blip. obviously live television, we'll try to get him back. he has conferred this news. >> harris: i want to go back to the question of what sandra was saying. i don't know what he normally would've said, but he saying this is something he says with off the record. >> lawrence: he also cleared his name. people were pegging him as the racist in the white house. >> harris: stronger language on the president was using at that time. >> sandra: john roberts, are you good now, sir? >> i thought it was good before. steve bannon is one of the people that's closest to the president ideology if not personally, and the president has said they came into the campaign late that he was clearly a force during the campaign and a force there at