to really spice up the cost benefit analysis. all that being said, neil, the fact of the matter is this. we are leading the world with respect to our c 02 footprints. we're doing so through innovation and technology.

natural gas in the generation of electricity. we have reduced our c 02 footprint almost 20%. so we're leading with action.

♪ ♪ >> neil: well, he runs the epa. but to hear many environmentalists say it, scott pruitt is not exactly on the side of the environment. more of those companies and those fossil fuel industries that destroy the environment. he says they have it wrong. scott pruitt talking to me earlier. >> our job is to be informed in making good decisions on how we regulate to achieve good environmental outcomes and to do so with the statutes that process is the right process. but neil, as we look at the overreach with the clean power plan. i was in kentucky talking about the war on coal that the previous administration engaged in. the war is over. the president said that. i was announcing that with those folks. as a regulator, you shouldn't regulate on any war in your company. you should look at utility companies making decisions on stability, cost, using all forms of fuel in the generation of electricity. >> neil: isn't natural gas the biggest threat to coal? you look market forces...