for marie callender's. >> laura: more of my exclusive interview earlier this evening with vice president mike pence at the white house. we learn not to trust polls all that much on the 2016 election, but much of the media just cannot stop obsessing about the president's relatively low popular tome of popularity. i asked the president if the tax reform triumphs will lift the president's approval rating. >> laura: why do you think his numbers are where they are? he's in the 30s. that's the lowest point of any president at this point in his first term. i'm not all about the polls, believe me, but all things considered it's better to be popular than not. it going into this new year, midterm elections, the generic ballot, every poll shows republicans down double digits. what does the trump-penn's team need to do to tell the story to suburban women, to millennials, african-americans, hispanics. are you going to go to those placed, even hostile places where people don't like you very much...