no one better to explain this than the budgeting director mick. >> thank you for having me. i'm happy to chat about it a bit. >> maybe you can indulge me. they proposed roughly $16 billion worth of cuts. that's not much. you say they are not doing enough. >> a few things on that. $15 billion is still a lot of money. if i could change one thing in washington i would outlaw the word billion or trillion. it's $15 billion. you do that a few times and you are talking about real money. a lot of them are cosponsoring the bill. mark walker the chairman of the republican study committee. they are supporting the effort. i recognize the criticism that it's not how it looks. i try to talk about doing something like this myself. the fact of the matter we had various objections about can you figure out where it doesn't go afterward. we were like, look, if that's fine, let's go and book the $15 billion for savings. if we can find a bunch of taxpayer money not being spent at all how is that a bad...