>> let's pick out one strand, education. >> get a protest from me on that. >> if you look at the way public sector unions have disserved the children who depend on them the most and it's definitely not only the teacher's job, as we know, when they bring in children from homes that were disintegrated and-- >> back to economics, right, nan? >> i agree with you, the economics, daniel patrick moynihan, we can take it back to the programs of the 1960's. i was having this conversation with an african-american friend who said look, when moynihan e predicted that communities most disadvantaged would be further harmed by policies that, in fact, reward families that are not together with responsibility parents, that that helps to create an ongoing pattern of disruption and we see that. we see children who are-- >> and when you wake up some

agree with you. i think it's an economic issue. i think if you look -- i'm not going to absolve the democratic leadership in chicago and it's been that way for decades, their responsibility for not addressing root problems and, in fact, exacerbating them. the public sector unions in chicago run that city and they run it corruptly, and they deprive communities of color of the resources that they need, that would-- >> couldn't you make that argument in other cities, too? >> i would make that argument in other cities, but when you look at these communities and when i was growing up in the chicago area, the robert taylor homes that have now been demolished were so dangerous we worried about being on that expressway and passing those homes and our car breaking down because you'd be taking your life in your hands. it's had the most devastating impact on the people most in

public. what is the fallout of some of this? >> i know from having been in political campaigns, the temptation to pull stunts and get attention is almost irresistible for people who feel passionately, but clearly the american public, if you look at rasmussen's polling from last week, among likely voters, the american public is not on the side of those who cry out to abolish i.c.e. they actually want to see including crucially the independent voters want to see enforcement of our laws. they agree more closely with the position of the republicans and president trump. so i don't think this is going to be benefit the democrats at all. neil: the hard left is -- [inaudible] -- you think it could boomerang? >> yeah, the democrats, they have a power vacuum in terms of the messaging on the democratic side of the aisle right now. stepping in to fill that void