and nobody has said that the ukrainians knew that u.s. aid was withheld. you can't have quid pro quo without the quo. brian: no doubt without two tracks there was a rudy giuliani track and formal diplomatic track. guess what? that happens all the time. if you hearken back to sidney blumenthal working for hillary clinton despite barack obama telling hillary clinton i don't want him working for you he was doing his own thing in libya. ainsley: sounds like bill taylor didn't like the rudy giuliani track. he was disappointed with the way giuliani was handling things. doesn't mean there was quid pro quo. if every single person who has gone behind closed doors and not one of them has said that ukraine knew that they were holding up aid, then there is no quid pro quo. quid pro quo would be the president saying, ukraine, i'm not going to give you the money unless you do this for me. steve: all we want to know is were laws broken? lindsey graham does not like what is going on behind closed...