joining us now, secretary of education, betsy devos. secretary, you say that there should be exceptions in hot spots around the country but that the rule, the general rule should be that schools should be fully operational and fully open of in the fall. what does that mean when you talk about fully open? does that mean in-person, five days a week? >> well, chris, we know that for kids getting back to school and getting back to learning, getting back with their peers, with their teachers, is really imperative and fully on of -- of operational and fully functioning means kids can be back there. for families that need their kids in school in person five days a week that has to be an option. the point needs to be how do kids get back to learning in the fall full-time and how do we ensure they get a full year plus of learning. hthey've fallen behind this spring. we need to make sure they're back in a classroom situation wherever possible and whenever possible and fully functioning, fully...

secretary, how do you respond? >> well, chris, there's nothing in the data that suggests that kids being in school is in any