that's what this case is going to be there's a mrem natur preliminary hearing and there's a hearing to determine if there is proof evidence presumption the person will be held without bond. >> let's gmove forward. competence, he has to decide the attorney the public de fernd. do you know the public defender? >> i do. >> i image quite experienced in this? >> it will put a group of public offenders together. >> they will seek to -- they have to decide whether or not he is competent and whether or not they proffer an insanity defense. what do you think is going to happen? >> i have to guess but i know they will have to interview him and make a determination if he is competent to proceed. if they believe he is not competent to proceed he will be sent down to be evaluated at the state hospital. >> competence is of course an issue of whether or not he can cooperate with his attorney and understanding char the charges. let's talk insanity in the state of colorado. >> there are two-ways to...