to see anything like that in england . england. >> okay. it's time for a debate on this now. and joining me in the studio to debate nigel's explosive interview as the media commentator rafe heydel—mankoo and also abdullah al andalusi , and also abdullah al andalusi, the co—founder of the muslim debate initiative. let's start with you, abdullah. so, the cat's been put amongst the pigeons once again by nigel farage. a lot of people saying his comments were horribly islamophobic and racist. would you agree with that? i would say that many people have described what he said as, race baiting or religious baiting, because most people who are muslim in this country, were from immigrant backgrounds or recent immigrant backgrounds. and so they are convenient targets . 150 years convenient targets. 150 years ago, oswald mosley and nigel farage of his time, one might argue, from the british union of fascists, argued that jews were a problem in this country and that there was a large population...