question of the causes, and it's deeply worrying to me to think of a future where you're going to have far right gangs wandering around in a dangerous way and doing deadly things, and islamist gangs doing the same . islamist gangs doing the same. >> that's right, isn't it? i mean, don't you think nigel nelson, the government's got to recognise there is violence on both sides? well, i mean , the both sides? well, i mean, the attacks on a mosque were clearly by the far right. yeah we've seen also videos elsewhere in birmingham this week, haven't we? we have. >> and there was violence there. but i mean nothing like the degree of it. what we're talking about here is the worst riots since 2011, so it is perfectly right for keir starmer to crack down on that. he must deal with the with the rioters themselves , the with the rioters themselves, stop it in its tracks, and so you can't make comparisons with, say, the pro—palestinian marches. they haven't torn say, the pro—palestinian marches....