former chief of staff mark meadows is still loyal to you. >> do you worry about him flipping? >> i didn't do anything wrong. >> want to ask you about the case related to mar-a-lago. a new charge is you asked the staffer to delete footage so it wouldn't get into the hands of investigators. >> it's false. >> would you testify under that under oath? >> i would testify. >> it's a fake charge by this deranged lunatic prosecutor and he lost 9-0 and he tried to destroy lots of lives and he's a lunatic. it's a fake charge, but more importantly, the tapes weren't deleted and in other words, was there nothing done to him and they were my tapes and i could afford them. i didn't even have to give them the tape, i don't think. i think i would have won in court. when they asked for the tapes. they're my tapes and i could have fought them, i didn't have to give them. we didn't delete anything. nothing was deleted. >> so that's false? >> number one, the statement is false. much more importantly when...

president biden are increasingly worried his son's legal troubles could strain the president's focus on what's expected to be a razor-close election. it was against that backdrop that i sat down with the former president at his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. his first network interview since leaving office. we have extended the same invitation to president biden. mr. trump has been criminally indicted four times and faces 91 felony counts, but continues to hold a commanding lead as the republican frontrunner. i began by asking mr. trump what a second term would look like if he's re-elected. ■ talk about retribution, are you talking about directioning your attorney general to go after your political know mes? >> when i'm talking about retribution i'm talking about fairness. these people on january 6th, some of them never even went into the building and they're being given sentences of many years. >> are you going to pardon those people? >> i'm going to look at them and i...