i just did a show with debbie reynolds and with carrie fisher and she said... >> rose: a television show or... >> no, a stage show in california. but it was like this, and big audience and it was fun and she... and when carrie fisher greeted me she said "hey, fellow e.c.t. club." electroconvulsive therapy for those who just got to this planet. >> rose: when you were there... now go back to the earlier time. when you were there and it was happening at abc you resisted anybody saying that dick cavett was intellectual, cavett was... >> yeah, i offended some people but i absolutely cringed and still do today when somebody... sometimes it was a european who moved here and would say "you're the only intellectual on television" and i'd want to say "shh!" because i got that reputation partly because i didn't know that you don't to read the guest books from cover to cover to talk to them for eight minutes about it.