he isn't an intellectual like john adams or jefferson, he isn't a great orator like patrick henry, he isn't a brilliant napoleonic figure, he's a leader and people will follow him and he has absolute integrity and he will not give up and he never forgets what it's about, what the war is for. again and again, you have people saying that they're not going to quit because i will not leave this good man, you know. we have to remember, at one point, it was down to 3,000 troops, that's all he had left. hundreds, thousands had either quit, gone home when their enlistments expired, deserted, went to the enemy. >> charlie: because they were given pardons. >> absolutely. and people in new jersey, when washington and the army were retreating across new jersey, when the general and the british commanders offered pardons for anybody who would sign the loyalty oath, people in new jersey came by the thousands