>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight the controversy about hillary clinton's e-mails and we talk to ann garon, mark halperin and john hileman. >> not the first thing anyone has done, it has bad judge. , the exact line people want to go after her on, it shows she was supported by people who again helped her engage in something she shouldn't have done. an she has been in setting it up, she has just been too cavalier about it because she never from her experience in little rock, her experience in the white house, she never wants to admit weakness, error or a failure to exer good judgement because she knows quite rightly she will be attacked more and more. the more she reveals and shows weakness, she will be attacked more and more. this is going to be a problem for her for the fore seeable future. >> rose: we continue with julian barnes, his new novel is called the noise of time, a