badly. vin weber a former congressman from minnesota was cochair of the john mccain and mitt romney presidential campaigns. this year he was a top advisor to jeb bush. welcome to you both. >> great to be here. >> thank, al. >> let me just start off, this is the beginning of the general election, i suppose. there is a d.c. primary next week but we really-- it's in full circle now. what are the odds going in, anita? >> well, i think dem graphically hillary clinton has always had an edge in this race in the general election that the last two elections have shown us that the republican party needs to broaden its coalition. they nominated probably the worst possible candidate for doing what they need to do and as a party they know they need to do it but it's going to be a close race because this is a closely divided country. i don't think the clinton campaign has ever been under any illusion that this was going to be a blowout or something easy. it's going to be tough and they're running...