state spending. george amedore -- standing up for us. >> that shadowy new york money, that's you. >> i think that's me, although i don't know which shadows i'm in, i mean, we're fully disclosed in public about what we were doing >> but he's the iry th i mentioned earlier. you started a super pac last spring, friends of democracy, because you don't like super pacs, right? you want to get rid of super pacs? >> we were the first to recognize the irony, and we've got a lot of fun out of it. we are the super pac that is, that has a mission of reducing the influence of money in politics. >> who funds your super pac? >> so i funded part of it. and then we raised about half of the money from other sources. >> isn't it a little weird? you start a super pac to defeat super pacs? aren't you escalating -- aren't you proving in effect that it takes a super pac to win and, therefore, you're escalating the arms race? >> so again, it's a serious question and i think there are a couple of different...