norman welsh heading in with his attorney, michael cardoza. we spoke with him and he said welsh admits, there is no question he feels bad about what he has done. butler enters court and lewis lombardi entered alone. here is attorney michael cardoza discussing his client, norman welsh. >> right before he, as they say, lawyered upen he sat down with investigators and told them his involve machine >> reporter: the men are accused of using their status. we spoke to cardoza. the men are accused of using their status to set up -- stings, the former net of c net said he needed the money because he had a sick daughter.