standard & poor's that says even if we raise the debt kreeling if we do not get at our deficit, we could see our aaa credit rating reduced to aa credit rating. so there's pressure to both do something, raise the debt kreeling so we don't default and cut our spending so that we can be on fiscal financial firm footing. >> with that kind of tough talk and that kind of hard stance, where does that leave the democrats? >> mike lee is still talking about cut, cap and balance and is probably the single most radical piece of legislation that i've seen in my lifetime. i think john boehner if he had his way would make a deal of some kind to raise the debt kreeling. he's talking to wall street. he can't educate those republican freshmen. they will just not be educated about this.