look, nobody thought he could beat locke faircloth in north carolina, and he went out and did it, and then john mccain was impressed with him and ted kennedy and then over time, he never fulfilled the potential. >> did he ever read a book? ever read a newspaper? >> i think he read a newspaper. >> i don't believe that. i don't believe he reads anything. >> i don't believe he worked very hard at being a senator. i watched him in the 2004 campaign when quite frankly we should have picked dick gephardt for vice president. i went up to his debate practice. he wasn't ready for that debate. he had to go back to his room. and elizabeth had to make him study. >> and anyway, thank you, bob shrum, and i love when you are sympathetic to the young people of the world. >> oh, stop. >> i'm off i know it. but bob rumsfeld is back, and he is wanting the president to get to policy, and i believe that the president has a better foreign policy than rummy. this is "hardball," a place for