>> it's like demonizing ward cleaver. >> really. who would do that? >> i mean -- >> i hated that guy. >> you did not hate ward. you are so -- >> it's a sidebar issue. bain, bain was a successful venture, legal. it's a sidebar issue. the key bar issue is the economy. >> okay. what's his plan? >> the very thing that drives a conservative like me crazy, that he done have the plan to transform the government. >> he's getting there. >> he doesn't have it, that's what also makes it so hard to lay a glove on him. >> because he hasn't stuck his neck out on a lot of issues. and i think it's very frustrating for the obama people. but i agree with the question and the answer, if i were in mitt romney's place, i'd say, listen, i turned around businesses. i changed the way operations like bain work. >> right. >> i turned -- i turned around bain. i turned around all of these companies. i saved the olympics. >> that's right. >> i turned around massachusetts, i did this, i did