fiscal crisis a big fat fraud. somewhere steve kornacki just smiled. anyway, she says dc has dealt us two horrible options. both as appalling as they are unnecessary. the first is to plunge over the fiscal cliff and endure both unpopular and frankly devastating cuts. the second choice is to avoid the fiscal cliff by cutting the same programs that would have fallen victim to the cliff. the only difference with this option is that it would include tax cuts for the rich. so it would seem we're stuck between a cliff and a hard place. but for one of the leading voices of women in this country, there is a third choice. and the guest spot today we've got the president of the national organization for women, terry o'neill. thank you so much for being with us. >> it's great to be with you. >> so you talk about these two terrible choices. i actually totally agree with you there. what is the third option? >> the third option is an aggressive jobs program. the real crisis that's facing our...