what's been found and you better go move it now. >> one of the gaps is pakistan. we were told the leadership in pakistan has control of its weaponry and in fact, there was talk at the time during a reign that there was a double key. they couldn't move things without us knowing about it. this seems to indicate that in later time frame, that these are real concerns about where the nukes are. >> there is. look, i mean, on the counter

concern to the united states is a bunch of blind spots and that worries them. they've had big success this is that area as well. for example, they have -- they've used very clever and creative and interesting technologies and operations to find out things they didn't know about north korea and iran. the post has agreed to withhold a lot of those details and they should be withheld because you'd be alerting the other side to what's been found and you better go move it now.

look, i mean, on the counter proliferation idea, on the worries about nuclear weapons, biological and chemical, there is one section for pakistan and one for all other there's a se pakistan and all other threats. it is the gravest concern the u.s. intelligence agency -- that there is. they can't talk about that in public, they think, because the judgment of success of administrations has been. they need to take what they can get from pakistan. if they cut off aid and say

if they cut off aid and say you're not our friend anymore, then they'll have less visibility and less influence there. but if they say out loud in congressional testimony that we're very worried about pakistani nukes, that we're worried about the fact they seem to have a program of -- sort of a systematic program of nonjudicial killings and so on, then congress is going to cut off the funds. so what you have here is a disparity between what they really believe and what they say. this is exactly what the

thank you very much. fascinating detail here. first of all, you've detailed that it's $52.6 billion, 69% goes to the nsa, cia and the national reconnaissance center. how have you assessed from all that you have been reporting here the value we're getting, the bank for the buck? what are we doing well and not so well? >> they have some fairly frank internal report cards here. they talk about where they think they've had successes and where they have critical gaps. of course, the president and

really believe and what they say. this is exactly what the transparency at a higher level into the budget allows there to be a public debate. is their strategy right of knowing there are big problems but still saying, yes, we want to keep paying them, you know, 20 some billion dollars we've paid in the last 12 years. >> bart, the latest chapter from the edward snowden files. thank you very much. >> thank you.

of course, the president and congress are most concerned about the gaps to start with because there are things that they need to know to do their jobs and they don't know them. for example, there are five of those critical gaps with regard to the north korean nuclear program, a subject of a great deal of concern to this government. there is no other country that has as many as five. there are others that have three or four. so the whole nuclear counter proliferation thing, which involves weapons of greatest concern to the united states is