>> howard fineman of "the huffington post" and joan walsh for salon. both are msnbc political analysts. i want each of you to answer a simple question. did the president deny or admit right there in that answer to chuck todd that there was a poll taken and focus groups delivered and organized to find out whether it would be a good idea to dump biden and bring in hillary. was the answer yes or no from the president there? >> well, i'll jump in and say yes, the president admitted that in a very oblique and round about way. he said he doesn't delve into polls. that doesn't mean he doesn't read them. he said if they had come and asked me shall we get rid of joe biden i would have said no. that doesn't mean that they weren't percolating the idea around. and i also love the 2 million employees excuse. i mean, that was pretty funny. i got to say. and, you know, the fact is he did talk to joe biden about it. they had it out. i think they genuinely like each