have a revolving door. according to the bureau of justice, 67.5% of a sample of 300,000 prisoners released in 1994 were the rearrested within three years. that's more than two-thirds. our foot soldier this week is helping people in new yorking with criminal histories beat those odds. catherine hope is the founder of defy -- since officially launching her program in 2011, catherine's program has seen a rate of zero. joining me now is founder and ceo catherine hope. also jose vas questions a program associate as well as one of the program's first graduates. catherine, why the insight about business as a way and entrepreneurship as a way to address re-sidism? >> my past life was working in venture capital. i was invited on a prison tour. and when i went there for the first time not knowing it the first thing about the drug game or gang leadership, in asking the men in prison about their stories i realized immediately