time but what i was trying to say is that at this point, given all of this criticism, especially in europe, it's in the newspaper today that microsoft is going to start using servers outside the united states so that it can keep people's data safe. i can just imagine people in the united states wanting to use the microsoft or other servers outside the united states. this is becoming -- unmanageable. and my suggestion is at this point that we look for alternatives and that section 215 so far as i understood before the president spoke was something the white house was considering abandoning. the president didn't abandon and gave three options. one that has the most appeal to me which he didn't explain carefully is tagging data so you can actually find needles without having to have the haystack. wouldn't that be better? wouldn't that be reassuring to people? at any rate, i want to commend

so probably this thing will go back up to the supreme court. my own view was and still is, that the program is constitutional but that's only one piece, the second piece is politically, does it make sense and in terms of u.s. security, to have a program which is creating so much dissension in our own country and certainly in a country like this one, switzerland, germany, where davos meeting is being held. and causing u.s. communications companies like microsoft to invent ways to get around the fisa program by telling people in europe that if they use microsoft as their carrier, the data from that -- that relationship will not be stored in the u.s. will be outside the reach the nsa program in the west. >> thank you. we appreciate you joining us

some of its decisions have been made public has disapproved some things and nasa has -- nsa has deleted data that was collected not in compliance with the program but this program has been looked at a number of times. federal courts have looked at it. there was a conflict between two courts right now, the d.c. circuit court thinks the program is unconstitutional and other the district court and another district court thinks it is constitutional. so probably this thing will go back up to the supreme court.